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rusel: Поскольку вы никак не можете, чтобы не начать постить в "Пресс-центре" свои эмоциональные всплески, заведу-ка я эту темку.
rusel: svell пишет: Теперь многие с удовольствием в него камнем пульнут ТАк пуляют с первого дня. Кроме спротинтеленжес.... Почти все газеты дают урезанные факты - так все поднесено, что сразу ясно (как и некоторые требуют) "На гильотину Джона!"
Bre: rusel пишет: Там неточность - Хиггинс опустился на 3-ю строчку в рейтинге? С чего они взяли? В годовом он на 2-м месте, в провижнл на 1-м. Да и вообще - сейчас каникулы летние, особо рейтинговых турниров нет. А у Джона отрыв солидный.
rusel: Поддельный сайт исчез из инета. It is our understanding the fake site has been taken down after legitimate companies mentioned on the fake site complained about their unwitting involvement in the sting.
svell: rusel пишет: Поддельный сайт исчез из инета. заметают следы и подчищают за собой...
memoryall: svell пишет: заметают следы и подчищают за собой... ...но возможно это пойдёт на пользу? Ведь заметанием следов честные люди занимаются крайне редко..... Не знаю, сие моё мнение.....наверное хватаюсь за соломинку.
rusel: Я скопипастнула мнение спортинтелленджес: "Как мы понимаем, это стало по настоянию настоящих фирм, чьи имена были использованы."
rusel: FROM NH, editor: There is no evidence of a conspiracy between different interests relating to NotW (ie: News International-Sky-WPBSA), and personally speaking, the idea that such a conspiracy exists is fanciful. The WPBSA investigation is being carried out by a well-respected former policeman. I personally believe he will do a thorough and impartial job, and may or may not find Pat Mooney and / or John Higgins guilty of stupidity, actual corruption or nothing at all. Equally, judged solely on what was printed and published in LAST WEEK’s NotW, there is no evidence at all that either man has actually ever fixed a match or a frame. If the NotW had such evidence I assume they would have published it. Perhaps they will tomorrow. We’ll have to wait to see. Certainly up to this point there is no suggestion, even from the NotW, that Higgins or Mooney have done anything meriting police or Gambling Commission involvement. The point of the main piece above, as stated, is to provide context for the sting, and highlight the elaborate nature of the set-up / entrapment. (While also pointing out that Higgins and Mooney have serious and legitimate questions to answer). Why would the sting site’s owners take it down today? Who knows. Time will tell. If it were legal and not operating under false pretenses, why not leave it up? If any News of the World investigation leads to the conviction and punishment of sportsmen in any sport because of gambling-related corruption, sportingintelligence will absolutely endorse that piece of work. Corruption is a serious issue and one we have covered and will cover in depth, including in the coming week in relation to other sports in other cases. Sportingintelligence’s view is that while there are REAL cases of ACTUAL corruption happening across sports, including snooker, such global attention on a case that is far from clear doesn’t actually do anything to help the fight against corruption, and may in fact destroy lives. Definition of ‘far from clear’: Were these ‘exhibitions’ as stated by one NotW reporter, or not? It makes a massive difference. Were they going to be WSS events, or ‘linked to’ the WSS, as the NotW stated? When were these matches going to happen? Where? Which bookmakers take or have even taken FRAME betting on WSS events? (None). Who was going to be betting then? The NotW’s ‘fake’ criminal syndicate. Etc etc. For now, we await further developments with interest. NH
rusel: Горгона оставила в пресс-центре статью, предвидится турнирчеГ в честь Эдди Чарлтона и матч между Нилом и Джоном, респ. Роном. Приз за 500 000. Я правильно поняла?
rusel: june-july пишет: Игрокам запретят делать ставки на снукерные матчи (в любой форме, в том числе на высший брейк, что до сих пор позволялось). Да, Джон, наделал ты дел....
Лапка: и правильно... они там в Британии помешались на ставках... "посмотрев про ставки на правительство"
rusel: 15. matthew says: May 11, 2010 at 3:51 pm On betting on matches, Clive Everton in yesterday’s guardian said it used to be widespread for players to but ’saver’ or ‘insurance’ bets on their opponents 16. Tommy says: May 11, 2010 at 10:23 pm The problem, Kevin, is in the assumption that he did what he did in the way the NOTW said he did it. Context is everything. 17. roger says: May 12, 2010 at 9:16 am Again with respect Matthew, C Everton’s comments are simply unfounded speculation! I am a current main tour pro snooker player of almost 20 years and can assure u i have never and never will have any “saver” or “insurance” bet on any of my own or any other players matches! The reason i am posting this is that it concerns me that people are now of the opinion that this carry on is rife in our sport which i can assure u it is not! Having been around the block in our sport more than most i think i know better than most of what goes on and what doesn’t! If any player partakes in this kind of thing then i hope they are severely dealt with by our governing body! I repeat that i have always played to win – i do play to win – and will always play to win – PERIOD. I hope this helps. Regards 18. admin says: May 12, 2010 at 10:54 am NB: I have amended my own comment (this one) to extend it. NH Roger: Matthew’s comment of yesterday referred (I assume) to this piece in the Guardian co-authored by two people, one of them Clive Everton: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/09/john-higgins-snooker-champion I would assume the background on insurance betting was indeed written by Clive (given his decades in the game), or based on information provided by him, and the relevant paragraph was: “Although betting to lose on a match in which you are involved is now banned under snooker’s disciplinary code, so called ‘insurance betting’ was commonplace in snooker, and even encouraged by some in the sport, until recently.” As with everything in the case, I would always urge anyone to go and read all materials in context. I’m delighted you’re posting on this thread, Roger, and share your concerns that people will now think x, y and z is rife when there may not be hard evidence; just as I’d be concerned that x, y and z might be not be true of Higgins without hard evidence, fully presented, in context. Higgins may or may not be guilty of match fixing or frame fixing. NOTHING the NotW has printed has proved he has fixed any frame or match that has taken place. Judging from message boards, comments, even postings on this site, in the eyes of the majority of the public he is certainly already convicted as a greedy match-fixer. Is that justice? I have doubts the NoTW’s claims (implied and/or direct) that he is a match-fixer would hold up in a court; but that’s my personal viewed only based on the evidence I’ve seen. A court case would be interesting for any number of reasons, including all the tangential figures it might involve: stock-market listed firms furious at fraudulent use of their credentials for entrapment being the least of it. While the fake website has been taken down (see previous stories), the person/team who built it/used it left behind all kinds of evidence about its construction, location, servers, IP addresses involved, links to specific journalists, email account usage. Even if the cache is subsequently destroyed, fortunately for transparency’s sake I have saved a lot of that information. A tiny bit of it I have already posted (four scans). Also Roger, I genuinely appreciate you coming into this debate as a tour player of 20 years. Your experience and insight could help throw more light on this whole subject. Please feel free to email me directly. Nick Harris Да, дорогой Роджер, я понимаю Ваше возмущение, но почему тогда надо Джона обвинять на основании порезанных кадров и инсинуации желтой газетенки, организованной журналистом, которого коллеги из нормальнХ газет, мягко сказано, не уважают? Начинаю обожать Ника.
shual007: Лапка пишет: и правильно... они там в Британии помешались на ставках... "посмотрев про ставки на правительство" Ну какие же скачки без ставок? Неинтереееесно... Аватар - СУПЕР!!!!!
rusel: Продолжаем сомневаться в редактировании прословутого клипа Джон/Муни В то время, как руководящий орган снукера WPBSA продолжает свое расследование претензий "Новости мира" в том, что Джон Хиггинс согласился проиграть фреймы, новый анализ видео улик против Хиггинса, опубликованых NotW, предполагает, что кадры не только были сокращены и отредактированы без полного контекста истории NotW, но некоторые титры приведены фактически неверно, и что некоторые слова, представленные в виде объяснений Хиггинса, по-видимому, не были им произнесены. http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/05/18/new-concerns-over-editing-of-higgins-sting-video-as-fake-website-cover-up-continues-180501/
june-july: O.... Ворлд-сайт работает над дизайном. Прямо мне понравился формат этого World Open: The action promises to be fast and furious, with all matches best-of-five frames, up until the final which will be best-of-nine. Массово, оперативно и безболезненно.
rusel: june-july пишет: Ворлд-сайт работает над дизайном Я что-то ничего нового не заметила...
rusel: ДФС наконец-то высказал свое мнение об истории с Джоном. Придраться не могу. Отвечает моему душевному настрою. Комментаторы блога статей Ника Харриса не читали.
june-july: rusel пишет: Я что-то ничего нового не заметила... А у меня новости размешаются в маленьких окошках, на которые с трудом попадешь, ускользают...
rusel: june-july пишет: А у меня новости размешаются в маленьких окошках, на которые с трудом попадешь, ускользают... Да, аналогично. Только это, по-моему, уже несколько месяцев.
Shecat: Ньюс оф Ворлд организовала очередной скандал: Герцогиня Йоркская брала взятку за встречу с бывшим мужем http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=362624&cid=549 что за сволочное издание и зачем им нужен был Джон? по сравнению со скандалом с Сарой Фергюсон его случай - ерунда, только испортили ему и всему снукерному миру жизнь.
rusel: Да, я вчера прочитала. Вот что пишет по этому помоду Гринсдейл в Гардиан: After two stories built around subterfuge without a genuine public interest (John Higgins and Lord Triesman) comes a third that, on balance, justifies the use of entrapment.
rusel: А вот чот пишет time If there is one name in British journalism that inspires fear and loathing in just about equal measure, it is Mazher Mahmood, the reporter who has just exposed the Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson, for offering access to her former husband, Prince Andrew, for £500,000 (close to $720,000). Mahmood specializes in the classic Fleet Street sting, and Ferguson was just secretly filmed in a Mayfair apartment offering to "open any door you want" to a wealthy businessman — Mahmood in disguise — by way of her ex-husband, Prince Andrew, the Queen's second son. As the British saying goes, she was "bang to rights," caught red handed. Fergiegate, as it will inevitably be called, has sparked a minor Royal crisis, and the Queen, it can safely be assumed, is not amused. Prince Andrew has denied all knowledge of the meeting, and Buckingham Palace issued a statement saying he carried out his duties as U.K. trade envoy with "complete and absolute propriety and integrity." Meanwhile, Sarah Ferguson has issued a statement saying: "It is true that my financial situation is under stress. However, that is no excuse for a serious lapse in judgment, and I am very sorry that this has happened." She added the Prince was unaware of the meeting and played no part in the discussions. (See 10 Questions with Prince Andrew.) Such stings are almost tradition in British journalism. The affair recalled a TV documentary by the U.K.'s Channel 4 in March of this year, which secretly filmed three former Labour ministers claiming they could influence government policy for cash. Following the documentary, all three stood down as MPs in the May election and were suspended from the Labour party. (See TIME's special package on the late Princess Diana.) But it is undoubtedly Mahmood who has earned the reputation as Britain's most feared and/or respected investigative reporter — depending who you ask for an opinion. Only three weeks before Fergiegate, he had exposed World Snooker Champion John Higgins, and his agent, Pat Mooney, for apparently agreeing to fix games. This is a big deal in the U.K., where snooker is a hugely popular game watched by millions on TV. And Mahmood has scores of similar exclusives under his belt involving politicians, celebrities, criminals and film, TV and sports stars. No one, it appears, is safe from "The Fake Sheikh," the nickname he earned for his habit of disguising himself as a wealthy Arab when engaged in one of his elaborate investigations. (See pictures of Prince William, Action Hero.) Mahmood does not work for a "serious" newspaper of the sort that once lived by investigations, but for a "red top" Sunday tabloid, the mass-readership News of the World, part of Rupert Murdoch's media empire. He is routinely attacked for using entrapment to nail his victims. Most famously, in 2003 he was criticized for his part in exposing an alleged plot to kidnap Victoria Beckham after a court case against the plotters collapsed amid claims the key informant — the core of Mahmood's reporting — had received £10,000 (more than $14,000) from News of the World for the story. He is often held up as an example of the worst of British journalism, which critics claim will resort to any tactic, no matter how legally or ethically dubious, to net exclusive stories in what remains a fiercely competitive industry. However, others claim he carries out a highly legitimate role in exposing the rich and powerful when they deserve it and bringing villains, including drug dealers, pedophiles, arms dealers and corrupt officials, to justice. Mahmood keeps his identity as mysterious as possible. No one is entirely sure of his background, or even if Mazher Mahmood is his real name. He says he comes from the Midlands, where his Pakistani parents settled in 1960. As well as the Arab robes he deploys in the "Fake Sheikh" stings, he uses other disguises and regularly works with bodyguards — he says he has received several death threats. He claims credit for 232 successful prosecutions. His contract with the newspaper stipulates his picture will never appear in print; he rarely appears in the office. However one left-wing British former MP George Galloway won a court battle in 2006 allowing him to publish an old photograph of Mahmood. The News of the World had attempted to block it on the grounds it would compromise his safety. In an interview with the BBC in 2008, Mahmood explained how he became a journalist. "I was trying to break into journalism as a 16-year old and got turned down two years in a row for work experience," he said. "And some family friends came round one night and they were chatting over dinner about video piracy. One guy was talking about how he was stealing films from a cinema and producing them on video tape and I thought, that's a great story. So I just picked up the phone and rang the News of the World. Next thing I knew, as a 16-year old, I was down in London working for the News of the World. The fate of his "family friends" goes unreported. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/ Друга семьи выдал за деньги...Чтобы продать газете материал. И это в 16 лет. Вот уж кто просто алчная гадина. А его некоторые чуть ли не апостолом правды и борьбы с коррупцией считают.
Shecat: rusel пишет: Друга семьи выдал за деньги... Сволочь еще та! как это британцы так легко подставляются, нежели ничего не знают о таких газетных скандалах? радует, что случай с Джоном не имел общественного интереса. хорошо бы, оштрафовали его, да и дело с концом.
rusel: На топ-снукере выложили план Джона Дэвисона по развитию снукера. Я так понимаю, альтернативный Барри Хирну? http://www.top-snooker.com/news/articles/show/777
баск: rusel пишет: На топ-снукере выложили план Джона Дэвисона по развитию снукера. Я так понимаю, альтернативный Барри Хирну? Да... Как игроки, интересно, на это среагируют? Впрочем, двое уже поддержали...
rusel: баск пишет: двое уже поддержали... Кто они?
Maria O’Sullivan: Хендри и Кинг
rusel: Maria O’Sullivan пишет: Хендри и Кинг Им, видно, идея страховки понравилась... Хендон аж всю страницу исписАл на блоге....
rusel: Сходила на топ-снукер, прочитала... Вообще-то, странно все это....
Maria O’Sullivan: всё это бардак... все эти планы.... ... огромное колво турниров непойми что.... 90 процентов неполноценных чтоли.....
rusel: Maria O’Sullivan пишет: огромное кол-во турниров непойми что.... Да, ты с Хендоном одного мнения. Кроме того, Девисон хочет 63% (почему точно столько - не знаю ) на 15 лет, а Хирн - 51% пожизненно.
Maria O’Sullivan: что 15 что всю жизнь одна фигня...... поулчается шило на мыло менять...rusel пишет: Да, ты с Хендоном одного мнения. хоть здесь мы сошлись
баск: rusel пишет: а Хирн - 51% пожизненно. Не клевещи , Хирн 6 лет только запросил, а если не получится, то тогда в готов в отставку податься.
rusel: баск пишет: Хирн 6 лет только запросил Да, это меньше... баск пишет: если не получится, то тогда в готов в отставку податься Это да...
rusel: Уорлдснука опубликовал "Наш ответ Чемберлену Дэвисону" Перевод на топ-снукере. Не знаю, валяццо ли или рыдать?
баск: rusel пишет: Не знаю, валяццо ли или рыдать? А что тебя там так развеселило?
rusel: баск пишет: А что тебя там так развеселило? Да несерьезно как-то. То не вовремя передали, это не сообщили....
баск: rusel пишет: То не вовремя передали, это не сообщили.... А может на то и рассчитывали, когда в такие сроки требовали передать информацию игрокам? Что будут выгляедть так невыигрышно нынешние руководители?
rusel: баск пишет: А может на то и рассчитывали, когда в такие сроки требовали передать информацию игрокам? Так я и говорю, что странно все это... Игры какие-то.
rusel: Эбдон, ясно дело, поддержал Дэвисона. http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/worldchampionships2010/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=snooker/10/05/29/SNOOKER_World_Snooker.html http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=snooker/10/05/29/SNOOKER_World_Snooker.html Реакция Селби: http://www.markselby.info/blog.html
баск: rusel пишет: Так я и говорю, что странно все это... Игры какие-то. Причем по-крупному, похоже. rusel пишет: Эбдон, ясно дело, поддержал Дэвисона. rusel пишет: Реакция Селби: Осторожный...
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